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		<title>By: Dan Allosso</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9044</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Allosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would the money for preventive services come from?  Obviously, from the obscene profits these public-sector-funded insurance companies are retaining for their owners.

Since we agree there is no free market in health care, it seems we have two options (we could pursue both, but they lead to different conversation threads).  We can map the steps to get us BACK to (or toward) a freer market.  And we can decide what to do here and now.  

Seems to me, given two &quot;public&quot; and no &quot;private&quot; solutions at hand, the choice is between a Medicare-like public option that &quot;competes&quot; with the insurance company and holds down their price gouging; or a maintenance of the status quo.  But do you really want to use free market rhetoric to maintain that status quo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would the money for preventive services come from?  Obviously, from the obscene profits these public-sector-funded insurance companies are retaining for their owners.</p>
<p>Since we agree there is no free market in health care, it seems we have two options (we could pursue both, but they lead to different conversation threads).  We can map the steps to get us BACK to (or toward) a freer market.  And we can decide what to do here and now.  </p>
<p>Seems to me, given two &#8220;public&#8221; and no &#8220;private&#8221; solutions at hand, the choice is between a Medicare-like public option that &#8220;competes&#8221; with the insurance company and holds down their price gouging; or a maintenance of the status quo.  But do you really want to use free market rhetoric to maintain that status quo?</p>
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		<title>By: Natural Body Building &#124; Pinoy Healthcare</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9030</link>
		<dc:creator>Natural Body Building &#124; Pinoy Healthcare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9020</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Harrison,
There are many, many reasons why Americans are not insured.  Policies cost more than they have to because states have laws that say if you offer a policy here it has to cover drug rehab and other things.  (See your particular state for the additional nonsense you don&#039;t want but they have to cover you for).  If your policy didn&#039;t cover drug rehab then it would be cheaper but it is illegal to offer a policy without that added expense.  Take away those laws (also called mandates) and the policies get cheaper.  If policies are cheaper more might want them.

But, do keep in mind that some people do not want insurance.  They think they will not get sick or they are willing to risk it.  As a young person in my twenties I thought I might not die (ever).  I would say things such as &quot;if I die...&quot;  To a person who doesn&#039;t even think they are going to die they also think the chances of them getting cancer (or other equally horrible disease) are very small.  They know if they get really hurt the hospital will be forced by law to treat them.  So, if you are in that position would you rather spend one hundred bucks a month on health insurance or satellite tv, or a cell phone, or internet connection, or whatever?  

A lot of folks don&#039;t have coverage because they would rather keep the money.  

Some folks are very rich and don&#039;t need to spread out the risk over their lifetime.  Economically it makes more sense for them to self insure.  

Some don&#039;t have insurance because they relied on gov incentivized employer policies that ran out when they got too sick to work.  If the gov hadn&#039;t interfered they would have bought private policies that would still cover them.  (The insurance companies make out like a bandit on that idea pushed by liberals - employer pays.  Why?  Because then the insurance company knows it only has to cover people who are not too sick to work.  Those people are a lot cheaper.)  Of course you can&#039;t force a company to take on a new client with a pre-existing condition.  They would go out of business in a month.  Would you be surprised to hear that a car insurance company would not take you on as a new client if your car was already wrecked?  But, if people had their own personal policies they paid for you could sue the insurance company for fraud if it did not cover as soon as you got sick.  Anyway, who would do business with that company?  Lesson here - GET YOUR OWN PRIVATE POLICY (and if you say one word about not wanting to pay extra for it, then you know darn well why people choose not to get coverage.)    Seriously, trust me on this, I learned the hard way.  And the sad thing is that it would have been cheaper for me to get private coverage than what it cost me as my employee contribution.  

Some don&#039;t have insurance because they took the gamble that they would not get sick and then did.  No one likes to lose a bet, but it happens.

Some lost their jobs and feel that is an expense they can do without for now.  Again, they are choosing to gamble.  Gambling is not a bad thing.  We gamble all the time.  I am not saying that choosing not to have insurance for a time may not be the best idea, I have no clue, but it is a gamble.  Sometimes gambles pay off. 

Some cannot afford it.  (These people do not make up the majority of those without health care, the majority choose not to afford it.)  These people deserve charity, not entitlements. I would personally rather help out people on a case by case basis and give them money to get heath care, not health insurance.  Insurance companies make enough money.      

So the answer is that for the most part insurance companies do offer a policy at an affordable price (with the exception of all those mandates that do price some out of the market).  People just choose for many reasons not to buy it.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Harrison,<br />
There are many, many reasons why Americans are not insured.  Policies cost more than they have to because states have laws that say if you offer a policy here it has to cover drug rehab and other things.  (See your particular state for the additional nonsense you don&#8217;t want but they have to cover you for).  If your policy didn&#8217;t cover drug rehab then it would be cheaper but it is illegal to offer a policy without that added expense.  Take away those laws (also called mandates) and the policies get cheaper.  If policies are cheaper more might want them.</p>
<p>But, do keep in mind that some people do not want insurance.  They think they will not get sick or they are willing to risk it.  As a young person in my twenties I thought I might not die (ever).  I would say things such as &#8220;if I die&#8230;&#8221;  To a person who doesn&#8217;t even think they are going to die they also think the chances of them getting cancer (or other equally horrible disease) are very small.  They know if they get really hurt the hospital will be forced by law to treat them.  So, if you are in that position would you rather spend one hundred bucks a month on health insurance or satellite tv, or a cell phone, or internet connection, or whatever?  </p>
<p>A lot of folks don&#8217;t have coverage because they would rather keep the money.  </p>
<p>Some folks are very rich and don&#8217;t need to spread out the risk over their lifetime.  Economically it makes more sense for them to self insure.  </p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t have insurance because they relied on gov incentivized employer policies that ran out when they got too sick to work.  If the gov hadn&#8217;t interfered they would have bought private policies that would still cover them.  (The insurance companies make out like a bandit on that idea pushed by liberals &#8211; employer pays.  Why?  Because then the insurance company knows it only has to cover people who are not too sick to work.  Those people are a lot cheaper.)  Of course you can&#8217;t force a company to take on a new client with a pre-existing condition.  They would go out of business in a month.  Would you be surprised to hear that a car insurance company would not take you on as a new client if your car was already wrecked?  But, if people had their own personal policies they paid for you could sue the insurance company for fraud if it did not cover as soon as you got sick.  Anyway, who would do business with that company?  Lesson here &#8211; GET YOUR OWN PRIVATE POLICY (and if you say one word about not wanting to pay extra for it, then you know darn well why people choose not to get coverage.)    Seriously, trust me on this, I learned the hard way.  And the sad thing is that it would have been cheaper for me to get private coverage than what it cost me as my employee contribution.  </p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t have insurance because they took the gamble that they would not get sick and then did.  No one likes to lose a bet, but it happens.</p>
<p>Some lost their jobs and feel that is an expense they can do without for now.  Again, they are choosing to gamble.  Gambling is not a bad thing.  We gamble all the time.  I am not saying that choosing not to have insurance for a time may not be the best idea, I have no clue, but it is a gamble.  Sometimes gambles pay off. </p>
<p>Some cannot afford it.  (These people do not make up the majority of those without health care, the majority choose not to afford it.)  These people deserve charity, not entitlements. I would personally rather help out people on a case by case basis and give them money to get heath care, not health insurance.  Insurance companies make enough money.      </p>
<p>So the answer is that for the most part insurance companies do offer a policy at an affordable price (with the exception of all those mandates that do price some out of the market).  People just choose for many reasons not to buy it.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids &#171; thak&#8217;s cool links</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9017</link>
		<dc:creator>ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids &#171; thak&#8217;s cool links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foundation for Economic Education » ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids.  Once again, we&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;insurance&#8221;.  We&#8217;re talking about &#8220;welfare&#8221;.  And this is a great article that explains exactly what&#8217;s going on&#8211;where we&#8217;ve come from, and where we&#8217;re headed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Foundation for Economic Education » ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids.  Once again, we&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;insurance&#8221;.  We&#8217;re talking about &#8220;welfare&#8221;.  And this is a great article that explains exactly what&#8217;s going on&#8211;where we&#8217;ve come from, and where we&#8217;re headed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9014</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all getting too funny. He wants to fine/tax people who are uninsured. Who are they? Illegal immigrants, college students, the unemployed. And he wants a tax on really benefit laden plans. Who has those? Unions.

The guy wants to tax the liberal Democratic base! 

Priceless.

Do you think they will ever figure that out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all getting too funny. He wants to fine/tax people who are uninsured. Who are they? Illegal immigrants, college students, the unemployed. And he wants a tax on really benefit laden plans. Who has those? Unions.</p>
<p>The guy wants to tax the liberal Democratic base! </p>
<p>Priceless.</p>
<p>Do you think they will ever figure that out?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary McCarty</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9012</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary McCarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so, as my Irish ancestors would say, but what are the chances of the Democrats actually creating a system that works? They&#039;re only interested in buying votes through a health care &quot;entitlement,&quot; not in actually providing health care. As you note, price controls and rationing will inevitably and quickly follow the Obamimaniacal &quot;reform&quot; of health care, ultimately resulting in what Sarah Palin was pilloried for calling &quot;death squads.&quot; Zeke Emanuel, for one, will be more than happy to choose who gets to live and who dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so, as my Irish ancestors would say, but what are the chances of the Democrats actually creating a system that works? They&#8217;re only interested in buying votes through a health care &#8220;entitlement,&#8221; not in actually providing health care. As you note, price controls and rationing will inevitably and quickly follow the Obamimaniacal &#8220;reform&#8221; of health care, ultimately resulting in what Sarah Palin was pilloried for calling &#8220;death squads.&#8221; Zeke Emanuel, for one, will be more than happy to choose who gets to live and who dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9010</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moneal: Wage and price controls were introduced by the federal government during World War II (and the Korean War and in the 1970s) in a vain attempt to prevent inflation. Here&#039;s a very brief summary: http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/wage-and-price-controls.jsp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moneal: Wage and price controls were introduced by the federal government during World War II (and the Korean War and in the 1970s) in a vain attempt to prevent inflation. Here&#8217;s a very brief summary: <a href="http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/wage-and-price-controls.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/wage-and-price-controls.jsp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Harrison</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9009</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in the days of skateboards becoming the biggest new toy. We used to get our dads to take roller skates apart and attach the freed up wheels to a plank of wood. Then, the American free market took notice. Soon, there were skateboard shops opening up on every block in every city I visited. The variety on skateboards available matched the creative thinking of customers demands and designers dreams. Wow, a brand new industry sprang up right before my eyes. And one could shop around for that one skateboard that was too wonderful to pass up. More recently, bread,- flat, cheesy, spicy, whole grain, seeded - bread became a popular consumer product. All of a sudden, bakeries were producing all these neat breads to choose from. You could find breads of all types, for every taste. Ahh, more American free enterprise. So, (if you&#039;re still with me) I thought, how is it that 45 million people (so says the gov&#039;t) are without insurance. Like skateboards and bread, since this is America, wheres the industry popping up to fill the demand?? Why aren&#039;t insurance co&#039;s standing up in protest of this destruction of their ability to operate in a free market environment. The only answer is that they must not be allowed to operate in a free market environment; they must be bastard children of the gov&#039;t. So, thank you for this enlightening article. But I still wonder why no one is asking &quot;What&#039;s wrong with our insurance industry, that they aren&#039;t providing a needed service at some affordable price?&quot; I think we ought to give insurance operations over to skateboard shop owners and bakers. They could do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in the days of skateboards becoming the biggest new toy. We used to get our dads to take roller skates apart and attach the freed up wheels to a plank of wood. Then, the American free market took notice. Soon, there were skateboard shops opening up on every block in every city I visited. The variety on skateboards available matched the creative thinking of customers demands and designers dreams. Wow, a brand new industry sprang up right before my eyes. And one could shop around for that one skateboard that was too wonderful to pass up. More recently, bread,- flat, cheesy, spicy, whole grain, seeded &#8211; bread became a popular consumer product. All of a sudden, bakeries were producing all these neat breads to choose from. You could find breads of all types, for every taste. Ahh, more American free enterprise. So, (if you&#8217;re still with me) I thought, how is it that 45 million people (so says the gov&#8217;t) are without insurance. Like skateboards and bread, since this is America, wheres the industry popping up to fill the demand?? Why aren&#8217;t insurance co&#8217;s standing up in protest of this destruction of their ability to operate in a free market environment. The only answer is that they must not be allowed to operate in a free market environment; they must be bastard children of the gov&#8217;t. So, thank you for this enlightening article. But I still wonder why no one is asking &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with our insurance industry, that they aren&#8217;t providing a needed service at some affordable price?&#8221; I think we ought to give insurance operations over to skateboard shop owners and bakers. They could do it.</p>
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		<title>By: moneal</title>
		<link>http://fee.org/articles/tgif/obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-9008</link>
		<dc:creator>moneal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious about the statement:
Government economic controls prohibited firms from attracting or keeping workers with higher wages.
How/when/why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about the statement:<br />
Government economic controls prohibited firms from attracting or keeping workers with higher wages.<br />
How/when/why?</p>
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		<title>By: TGIF &#8211; ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids &#124; Anything Peaceful</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGIF &#8211; ObamaCare: Status Quo on Steroids &#124; Anything Peaceful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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